Technics Grand Class SL-1200GR2, SL-1300G, and SL-1200G
SL-1200G
After having been surprised twice, would the last player have another surprise in store? You better believe it! Sure enough, although the SL-1200G has the same platter and a similar motor construction as the SL-1300G, the SL-1200G is, again, a very different animal.
The SL-1200G clearly deviates from the SL-1300G by sounding more light-footed, brighter, and not quite as voluptuous, and instead more open, agile, and expressive. Even though the SL-1300G is mechanically derived from the SL-1200G, the latter sounds arguably more like the SL-1200GR2. However, don’t take this as meaning they perform on the same level. The SL-1200G has a similarly fluid, open, and delicately airy delivery as the SL-1200GR2, but, like the SL-1300G, the SL-1200G is much more mature and incomparably more convincingly realistic in its portrayal of timbre, texture, and dynamic contrasts. The SL-1200G may be tonally differently balanced and could be considered arguably less romantic than the SL-1300G, but they both perform on a very high level.
What the SL-1200G manages best of the three models is to minimize its sound signature. It is amazingly neutral and linear, reminding me in many ways of some of the best turntables I heard at more than twice the price. This turntable allows the music to shine with fantastic precision, clarity, and resolution without ever sounding the slightest bit mechanical.
One thing the SL-1200G does not do is paint a romantic picture. It does not editorialize the sound in any way, meaning that you will hear whatever is on the record. However, I find that despite its honesty and immense resolution, this player always manages to make my foot tap. Even when playing dull or flat-sounding records, it extracts such a positive and propulsive sound from them that I can’t help but be emotionally involved with anything I play.
The SL-1200G combines all the aspects that I value most, sounding impressively incisive, upbeat, and lively, but at the same time deliciously fluid, airy, and refined. In multiple ways, it manages to marry the best of Direct-Drive with the best of Belt-Drive.
Although I consider both the SL-1300G and SL-1200G excellent turntables, the latter appeals to me the most. I’m not sure if it is the Magnesium tonearm, its more precise arm base, the more elaborate 4-part chassis, or intentionally different tuning, but for me, the SL-1200G represents the best I heard from Technics. It’s certainly a relative matter, but even though this turntable predates the other two, it impresses me the most.
The blue strobe light of the SL-1200G and SL-1200GR2 is very bright, and I only wish it had an off button
Epilog
At this point, one might wonder what happened with the AT-OC9XML MC cartridge. Well, the three turntables were only available for a limited period, and the cartridge was not in stock. As time passed, the cartridge could not be delivered before the turntables had to return to the store.
However, I was so smitten with the SL-1200G that I decided to make it a permanent part of the system. And so, I am now the proud owner of three turntables: two Thorens and one Technics. Yes, I sure am spoiled…
This also provided plenty of time to make more cartridge comparisons using the SL-1200G, the first of which is, of course, the AT-OC9XML MC.
AT-OC9XML MC cartridge
When using the AT-OC9XML MC cartridge in the SL-1200G and comparing it to the Thorens TD1601 with a TAS 1600 Fine Line cartridge (which is very similar to an AT-OC9XSL), the Technics player takes on more of the Thorens’ natural nature, with a fuller bass, a lusher midrange with more bloom, enhanced smoothness, and even more delicate treble than with either of the MM cartridges. I’d still not consider the SL-1200G a romantic turntable, but the AT-OC9XML MC takes it more in that direction.
With this in mind, I imagine that an AT-OC9XSL could very well provide an ideal balance between precision and crispness on the one hand and bloom and smoothness on the other. And, of course, one can take this player further to the romantic side by using an AT-33PTG/II MC, and I’m sure there are other interesting candidates that I have not heard… yet!
The two MM cartridges certainly do not sound as smooth, rich, and full-bodied as the MC cartridge, but they managed to sound even more spritely and energetic and every bit as finely resolving as the AT-OC9XML MC. Given their lower price and ease and comfort of replacing only the stylus rather than the entire cartridge, I cannot recommend the AT-VM740ML (MicroLinear) and AT-750SH (Shibata) more highly.
For my final thoughts on the matter of Thorens versus Technics, I have three observations. The most significant difference that remains is predominantly in timbre. The Thorens players have a more wooden, arguably more natural tonality, whereas the SL-1200G has a more neutral and arguably more linear tonality. The second most obvious difference is in the projection of the soundstage. Where the Thorens is structurally a little more laidback while projecting some of the sounds more forward, the Technics has an overall more urgent feel and projects the entire image more forward. The last difference is in the bass, where the Thorens is lusher and fuller, and the Technics is more propulsive, faster-paced, tighter, and more accurate.
While I found it easy to pick my favorite of the three Technics players, I find deciding between the SL-1200G and the Thorens TD-1601 much more challenging. Ultimately, my preference depends on the music genre and the mood I am in. Smooth soul and vocal music, in general, can certainly still be a little more magical with the Thorens. With fast-paced music and electric drums, in particular, the Technics is more impressive.
Conclusion
Let there be no misunderstanding: these three Grand Class turntables live up to their names. These are not just cosmetic updates, and the techniques used to eradicate the Direct-Drive motors from their long-standing downsides are most definitely not mere tech talk to elude audiophiles.
Even the most affordable Grand Class SL-1200GR2 turntable amazed me with the massive leap in performance from the classic SL-1210MKII I know so well. It retains the classic model’s foot-tappingly enthusiastic, linear, and neutral delivery, but its presentation is more highly resolving and very significantly more delicate and fluid. The result is a precise and revealing yet musical turntable.
The SL-1300G’s remarkably full-bodied and full-blooded nature eradicates any preconceived notions of how the classic SL-1200 series used to sound. It sounds a little dark and quite relaxed compared to the SL-1200GR2, but also so much fuller, smoother, and tonally richer, more musical. Timbres are riper, more natural, and more realistic, and the player even manages to unveil yet another layer of resolution. With its full-bodied bass and overall smoothness, any trace of leanness has vanished; instead, the player sounds more like a heavyweight mass-loaded esoteric specimen.
The SL-1200G has a similarly fluid, open, and delicately airy delivery as the SL-1200GR2, but, like the SL-1300G, the SL-1200G is much more mature and incomparably more convincingly realistic in its portrayal of timbre, texture, and dynamic contrasts. The SL-1200G may be tonally differently balanced and could be considered arguably less romantic than the SL-1300G, but they both perform on a very high level. What the SL-1200G manages best of the three models, however, is to minimize its sound signature. It is amazingly neutral and linear, reminding me in many ways of some of the best turntables I heard at more than twice the price.
A big thank you to Frank, Stanly, and Marcel from A Tube High Fidelity for supplying not just three turntables but four different cartridges as well to make this extensive review possible.
(SL-1200G)
(SL-1200GR2 and SL-1300G)
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The arm quality – traditionally a weakness of the earlier 1200s – was not really addressed. I would welcome a review comparing the standard are against quality replacements (e.g. Origen Live/modified Rega ).
really interesting review – also a huge work to do…but i wish there are also included the most cheapest ones (mk7 and SL100c) too…maybe some other time.
This was a huge undertaking indeed, but a lot of fun as well! I tried to be as thorough and complete as possible and wanted to include the Mk7 as well, but it was not available. Maybe some other time indeed. Alas, I have not heard the two most affordable “cartridge-included” models, so I cannot comment on how they would compare.
Thanks for this very interesting and comprehensive review. Due to my nomadic life since 2014 I had chosen for streaming only. However, I am more settled now (in Abu Dhabi). In addition, last summer I visited the (mainly vinyl) record shop co-owned by my son (3345, in The Hague) for the first time, and that got me drooling. That got me thinking, and reading reviews. Looked at the SL-1200GR2. The “DJ-look” put me off though, and I figured I wanted something more high end. Eventually I got very interested in the Mofi Ultradeck (or even better, the Masterdeck, but yeah expensive). Your review makes me seriously considering the SL-1300G though. Very sturdy, almost plug and play, AND sounding great.
I had an SL-1800 MkII which I purchased new in 1980 from my employer at the pro sound company where I was employed at the time. I sold it in 2017 and the only defect it had was that the oil in the oil-damped pop-up stylus light leaked out or dried up and it no longer emerged slowly as it did when new, but instantly popped up. The turntable served me very well for 37 years. I recall that it retailed for about $1K at the time.
Nice writeup. I bought the Sl1210gae when it went on the market. It is truly a magnificent pice of engineering. I tweaked the sound to my ears with Audioquest Yukon rca cables. Phase Mation CS-1000 headshell. Nagaoka MP 300. Vertere Techno Mat. It’s that good that the sound signature can be tailored like that. I’m from 1968. So I’m guessing the 1210gae will last me a lifetime.
Thank you for your thorough and interesting review and comparison. I am reading about these three turntables as I search for an upgrade option. Some of the other reviews I have found of the 1300G describe it as lean, bright, or neutral. I am wondering how reviewers can come to opposite conclusions of the 1300G.
The 1300G is the fullest, warmest-sounding of the Technics turntables I tested. However, compared to typical belt-drive turntables, any Technics Direct-Drive turntable can appear *relatively* bright and/or lean.
Thank you for your response.
I have the Technics SL-1500C turntable. I added a Nagaoka MP200 cartridge, a warm phono pre, warm cables, footers, a walnut platform, two subwoofers, NOS tubes, and a lot of room treatment. I also have my analog systems total capacitance at around 110. With these changes and a few others to my set up, my system sounds pretty good and definitely not too bright.
I said I am thinking about a turntable upgrade, but it will probably be a few years. I will definitely consider a Technics 1300G or 1200G especially after reading your excellent review. Bookmarked!
Excellent review! Thank you. Allow me to ask a question, please. I am considering buying a new turntable and choosing between the Denon DP-3000NE, Technics SL-1300G, and SL-1200G. I can’t decide which one might be most suitable for me. Which one would you lean towards, considering that you have reviewed all three turntables? I would greatly appreciate your response and help in making my decision. Thank you
Hi Jiri, without knowing your preferences I cannot tell you whether an SL1300G or 1200G would be better for you. But I have done my best to describe the differences in this review. Between the Denon and the Technics turntables, it comes down to style and smoothness. The Denon looks more traditional which you may or may not like, and it sounds smoother, warmer, and more relaxed. The Technics turntables look more technical and sound more transparent and precise. If you don’t intend on moving beyond conical or ellyptical stylus shapes, and just want a player that sounds musical, the Denon might be for you. If you want the highest resolution and intend on using more exotic stylus shapes, I recommend Technics. The SL1200G has the mechanically most precise arm.
Thanks Christiaan for the great review. As I understood you, Denon DP-3000NE and SL1200GR2 should play at the same level. Does it mean that SL1300G play better than the two, also DP-3000NE? I plan to run it with Denon DL 103 and listen to jazz for the most part, but sometimes classical music, pop and rock. It would be interesting to hear your opinion whether you would prefer Denon DP-3000NE with DL 103 or SL1300G with DL 103. Thank you very much.
Hi Paul, it’s just my opinion, of course, but I would choose the SL1300G for its build quality and more precise sound. The DL103 sounds really nice, but, in my opinion, its basic conical stylus shape undercuts the either turntable’s full abilities. So, I would also recommend stepping up to a cartridge with at least an Elliptical stylus, or if funds permit, a Line Contact or Shibata, or if you want maximum resolution and don’t mind a more analytical sound, MicroRidge.
Hi Cristiaan, thanks a lot for the rapid answer. I really appreciate your opinion.
Hi Paul,
Based on Christiaan’s review (and few other reviews such as Michael Fremer) I bought the SL-1300G. Based on recommendations from friends with good ears I combine it with the Hana SL MkII ca).rtridge (with Shibata shaped stylus). Every listening session is an absolute joy! A high-end Audio-Technica MM cartridge such as used by Christiaan will work perfectly too (I have been doubting between the Hana and AT, but one has to make choices
Hi Eric, that’s great. Hana SL and EL are also on my list of potential candidates. Thanks that you confirm a good match with the 1300G.
Hi Paul (and Eric), I wanted to add that, after changing from the Magicos to the Apogees, I now prefer to use MC cartridges with the SL1200G. The AT VM 740 MM was superb with the Magicos, but I found it to be too bright with the Apogees. I would probably have gone back to the ATOC9XML MC if I still had it, but an operational mistake (cough-clumsiness-cough) accidentally ruined it. I currently use the Goldring Ethos SE, which has a fuller bass and warmer midrange than the AT carts and is presumably more similar in overall sound signature to Hana than to AT. I never used Hana, so I can’t be sure. In any case, it’s good to keep in mind that the “ideal” cart, and whether to choose MM or MC, co-depends on the rest of the system.
Hi Christian, Goldring Ethos sounds interesting. I think I also should try Ortofon MC X40 or Ortofon MC X30. But you are fully right, the system is crucial.
Hi Paul, I encourage trying as many carts as you can! There is a lot to discover and the differences are considerable.