When one of the Duetta Signatures’ channels started sounding less energetic and darker than the other, and no amount of crossover-, cable- or component swapping could fix this, I sought advice from Graz.<\/p>\n
After explaining my experiences with the original and refurbished Duettas, he suggested I install new MRTW ribbons, not only because the KLM5’s are hugely improved over the older KLM2’s, but also to rule out any damage that may have occurred to the older ribbons due to stress from playing too loudly. Graz said that in addition to the ribbons having new interfaces (the way they connect to the frame), he had also devised a new wired return, which replaces the extra lengths of aluminum inside the speaker with a special formula wire.<\/p>\n
More info about the new Interfaces and Wired Returns<\/h3>\n
The main effect of this circuit design is to lock the circuit in at its predicted best-case measurements. When the original ribbons were made, there was often a considerable variation in the backed ribbons (0.4 – 0.5 ohms window). Further, the original foil returns are prone to oxidization and gradual degradation. This does not happen with the new system.<\/p>\n
With the new ribbons and the return circuit, the typical window decreases to better than 0.1 of an ohm from reference. The benefits far outweigh several times the expenditure in any other area of a hi-fi system, including crossover parts. Given the vast benefits, Graz confidently states that he would not restore a speaker today without this modification.<\/p>\n
All new wired circuit returns from 2013 onwards are upgraded to a gold-plated interface.<\/p>\n
Main benefits:<\/p>\n
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- Kakes the measured parameters accurate to typically <0.03 of an ohm<\/li>\n
- Increases ribbon life and stability<\/li>\n
- Allows for easier future MRTW ribbon replacements without the stress of the original circuit system, as it is much more user-friendly for subsequent replacements<\/li>\n
- Decreases electrical degradation and seems humidity-independent<\/li>\n
- Decreases the chance of ribbon fractures at the clamps<\/li>\n<\/ul>\n
In addition to the new method, the upgraded foil returns will remain available for those who like the old-fashioned way of doing things.<\/p>\n
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<\/p>\nReady for a ride to the Doctor v.d. Hoeven surgery clinic: Duettas (this review) and Diva crossovers (another story).<\/em><\/p>\n
Preparing for Surgery<\/strong><\/p>\n
Although these are technically still Jan Willem’s speakers because he purchased them, they have been in my possession for almost 4 years. Still, so far, there has been no intent to bring them over to his apartment because he is so happy with how the original Duetta Sigs work in his system, and the refurbished set’s relatively harsher and more forward sound have not convinced him. So, JW was more than happy to let his refurbed babies go to the H.v.d Hoeven clinic for a beauty treatment. All this time the speakers had had no mesh to protect the drivers and it really is a miracle that I have not once accidentally damaged the foils during one of the very many listening sessions and cable comparisons. So, it seemed prudent to have Henk install the mesh while the speakers were in surgery anyway. To top things off, Henk would measure the bass panels’ resonances and adjust tension if required. As it turned out, the bass panels were still close to optimal and required only subtle optimizing.<\/p>\n
Initial Listening<\/strong><\/p>\n
Graz already warned me that the speakers would need at least 80 hours of normal music replay to run in properly, and indeed upon first connection, they sounded very tight and a bit too forward. But interestingly, all the grain and harshness I had previously heard was gone. Also, it was immediately clear that resolution and finesse had increased immensely. But maybe there was still a forward nature in the upper midrange. Would this be attributable only to them not yet being run in, or could the crossovers be the culprit?<\/p>\n
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<\/p>\nThe original Duetta Reference crossover was made to work externally. <\/em>The square red capacitor on the top left is all that differentiates the Duetta Reference crossover from the Duetta Signature crossover.<\/em><\/p>\n
Final Crossover Tweak<\/strong><\/p>\n
Since some time (see part 3 of this review), I use original Apogee crossovers with the refurbished Duetta Signatures, but these are Duetta Reference crossovers. The difference with Duetta Signature crossovers is only in the addition of a single capacitor with which the speakers were specially tuned for the German market. I’ve long pondered about its influence, and after speaking with Henk, I was quite sure that it would lift treble output. Now that the speakers had returned from their beauty treatments with their new tightly stretched mesh and brand new KLM5 drivers, it was time to snap out this capacitor and return the crossovers to full standard spec again.<\/p>\n
Sure enough, snipping out the extra capacitor restored the treble output to normal. Briefly re-attaching it again just to be sure revealed that indeed it lifted treble output and not by a small margin. With the Duetta Reference crossovers now being identical to Duetta Signature crossovers, the improvements that the KLM5 drivers brought were even clearer. Not only had resolution increased, resulting in more treble air and a more fluid overall presentation, the speakers had lost none of their drive and power, or their dynamic impact. And now that the MRTWs were playing at their intended levels, the transparency and cohesion were also further improved. The speaker now spoke as a whole, more like a single driver if you will.<\/p>\n
Perspective – originals vs refurbished<\/strong><\/p>\n
In a way, before the installation of the KLM5 ribbons, the refurbished Duetta Signatures have always reminded me of AvantGarde horn speakers such as the Uno G2<\/a> not only in terms of purity and sheer dynamic impact but also for their hugely impressive bass. They may not go as loud as AvantGardes but they still go up to party level easily and have more than enough reserve to handle all audiophile needs. Like the AvantGardes, they can be totally magical, but there is often an overall shouty quality in the midrange, and all of a sudden the speakers can lash out, for example with brash trumpets or loud female vocals.<\/p>\n
Conversely, the two original pairs of Duetta Signatures that I owned never sounded anything less than sweet, gentle and airy. This is not surprising, as their ribbons had been in place (and in use) for 20 or so years, and, therefore entirely relaxed, but they were quite certainly not appropriately tensioned anymore. They are restrained in ultimate impact, but dynamically still well-differentiated. Bass, while still incredibly deep, is less punchy and lower midrange less powerful than an up-to-date pair, but musically, the classics always perform well and subjectively I’d say that they are still more dynamic and involving than Magnepan MG3.6R’s.<\/p>\n
The Refurbished models with KLM5 MRTW’s, new interfaces, new wired returns and original crossovers combine the best of both worlds. They have all the drive, power and dynamic impact that the initial refurbished set had with their newly built but off-spec crossovers, yet none of their raggedness or uncontrolled MRTW driver behavior. Add to this startling coherence and resolution better than that from the aging originals, and top it off with fluidity and refinement close to the original classics and I think it is clear that we have a winner.<\/p>\n
Naturally, in matters audio all is relative, and there will still be advocates of the more mellow and relaxed sound of the original classics, but on balance I personally prefer the more energetic and propulsive sound of the refurbished models and I especially prefer their incredible resolution and transparency now that the KLM-5 drivers have been installed. Taste aside, technically the refurbished models are definitely better. They are incredibly dynamic but also very revealing, so they will need to be married to carefully selected electronics.<\/p>\n
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<\/p>\nDiva<\/strong><\/p>\n
Compared to my refurbished Divas (that use older Graz drivers installed almost 10 years ago), the Duettas are much more dynamic and have A LOT more propulsion and drive. With the right amount of toe-in, the Divas can image well, but not entirely as good as the Duettas. The Divas, however counter with even more top-to-bottom evenness and less obviously thunderous but deeper bass. Although I have tried many amps by now, I’m still not ruling out the possibility that my Divas are somewhat underpowered by the Rowland sixes, but as it stands now, they are sometimes too polite. Although they are dynamically well differentiated, the Divas are not always hitting the mark regarding slam or punch. The refurbed Duetta Signatures, however, have no such issues. Divas may not be the greatest rock stars, but Duetta Sigs can really rock out.<\/p>\n
Amplifiers<\/strong><\/p>\n
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<\/p>\nIn my expericene, Tube amps normally do not apply, unless they are really potent. SETs such as the otherwise fantastic VAIC Reference 520 above, specifically don’t work well, resulting in a very slow and creamy, thick, covered-up sound. I also tried various other tube amps, but so far they all produced an overly smooth sound with flattened dynamics. Do note that when matched correctly, SETs are definitely capable of very punchy sound. For example, when combined with the Centaurs, in spite of their 50w rating the VAICs have staggering bass heft and extremely impressive dynamics, and this combination really sounds nothing short of magical.<\/p>\n
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<\/p>\nStill, Duettas are not incredibly hard to drive: any amp that outputs healthy current and remains stable at least into 3 ohm loads is theoretically up to the task. I found that the sophisticated yet detailed sound of my classic Jeff Rowland model 6<\/a> matches incredibly well, and I assume that a model 2<\/a> would also work well. If you want to add some more romanticism then the slightly more recent Model 10<\/a> is a very good choice with its fuller, more relaxed sound. Of the more recent amps tried, the more neutral ICE power 201s were also a very good match, as is the 625v2. Also see this model 201, 525, 6 and 10<\/a> review for more detailed information.<\/p>\n
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<\/p>\nThe Devialet 120<\/a> worked wonders by sounding both superbly refined as well as powerfully upbeat and the Accuphase E-260<\/a> was also excellent, and from what I heard during an Accuphase comparison with other speakers, the creamier-sounding E-600 could well be a match made in heaven.<\/p>\n
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<\/p>\nWrapping it up<\/h2>\n
The Duetta Signatures are the first full-range Apogees I heard, and I have to confirm that reviewers at the time weren’t wrong: Full Range Apogees really are something special. Most incredible is their bass performance: at once deep, full, dynamic, coherent and fast. All three sets of Duetta Signatures, even the original classics, produce bass in a fashion that makes visitors wonder if the subs are still on, and refurbished Duettas truly have bass that puts many dynamic systems to shame. Apogees are also incredibly dynamic and fast, in a way that makes Magnepan 3.6R’s seem overly well-behaved and sleepy. In spite of not having a cabinet, Apogees don’t sound threadbare at all, on the contrary. Timbre is very lifelike, for example piano really sounding like the wood-and-string percussion instrument that it is.<\/p>\n
My previous Magnepan MG3.6R’s by comparison often made piano sound too thin, almost like it is a keyboard and not the real thing. And remember that I’m talking about the Maggies with aid of two REL Strata II subs versus Apogees without subs. The Magnepans sure have tight, articulate bass, but there’s no real drive to speak of. There are advocates for both camps, each accusing the other camp’s speaker of having coloration. Magnepan MG3.6Rs have one advantage over Apogee Duetta Signature though, which is their pure ribbon treble, which is quite simply heavenly, refined and airy. Apogee Duetta Signature treble (being an MRTW with Kapton backing as opposed to pure ribbon) by comparison is just a little less superbly delicate, but still worlds better than the large majority of dynamic tweeters out there.<\/p>\n
While it could be argued that perhaps the Maggies sweeten the treble too much and perhaps the original Duetta Signature’s treble performance is simply honest and revealing what’s on the recording, the initial refurbished pair used incorrect crossovers resulting in severely tipped-up midrange and treble. In any event, from memory the new KLM5 ribbons together with the new interfaces and wired returns all but closed the gap.<\/p>\n
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<\/p>\nRoom friendly<\/strong><\/p>\n
It’s becoming\u00a0more and more evident that dipoles work better than dynamic speakers in rooms that are otherwise plagued by standing waves, otherwise known as room modes. Without bass traps, both my listening rooms have severe issues, and where dynamic speakers tend to boom and honk and have uneven frequency balance, all the Apogees, as well as the Magnepans, sounded much more even-handed in these untreated rooms, and without exeption delivered much better bass. Contrary to popular belief I would say that Apogees are actually easier to position than dynamic speakers. The only thing they need is some space from the rear wall. 2 meters yields best results but 1 meter is already sufficient.<\/p>\n
Finally, cost considerations. Sure I can understand that it doesn’t seem entirely “cheap” to get the full refurbishment done on an existing pair. But think of it another way. A newly refurbished pair with the latest drivers and a new cabinet will cost around 6500 euro. Now just think about the ever-increasing cost of current high end speakers. For 6500 euro not a single speaker comes to mind that would even begin to\u00a0deliver a performance\u00a0like the Duetta Signature. At double or triple this amount however some aspects of the sound can be matched, but usually with less overall top to bottom coherence. Marten and Vivid Audio for example are competitors in terms of treble and midrange performance, but you’d have to climb up to one of the dearer\u00a0models (30-60k) before you approach the incredible bass extension that any Apogee is capable of and even then, with a less than optimal room, the bass drivers may still be more or less leading their own life relative to the rest of the frequency spectrum. In this context, a refurbished Duetta Signature offers insane value for money!<\/p>\n
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<\/p>\nSerial Numbers:
\n<\/strong>Jan’s original set: 13 998
\nMy (CP) original set: 13 182
\nJW’s DS red\/black refurbished pair: 13 185
\nDuetta Reference Crossovers: 13 180<\/h4>\nRefurbished pair ribbon types for part 4 of this review:
\n<\/strong>Bass: KLM v2 (2006, KLM construction, v2 pattern)
\nMRTW: KLM5 (Freshly installed September 2016)<\/h4>\nupdate 13-04-2025<\/h3>\n
After inheriting a pair of original Duetta Signatures, the Apogee bug bit me again… Not only have I fallen in love with these speakers all over again, but I may even switch back to them as my main speakers. Of course, being originals at 35 years old by now, this Duetta pair urgently needs an overhaul.<\/p>\n
Henk van der Hoeven will refurbish them using the latest Graz ribbons, interfaces, and return wire system. Additionally, he will build a new crossover and install metal ribs to stiffen the frames.<\/p>\n
After completing this, I will write a new article describing how they sound before and after the refurbishment.<\/p>\n
<\/p>\n
Associated Equipment<\/a><\/p>\n
More\u00a0Duetta Signature<\/h2>\n
Initial Duetta Signature Review<\/a><\/p>\n
More info<\/a><\/p>\n
More Apogee<\/h2>\n
All models overview<\/a><\/p>\n
Listening Sessions overview<\/a><\/p>\n
Timeline and History<\/a><\/p>\n
FAQ<\/a><\/p>\n
Read Also:<\/h3>\n
Crossover – passive or active<\/a><\/p>\n
Speaker Cables – biwire or single wire<\/a><\/p>\n
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